I think you are mixing up ownership with some form of ideological uniformity. Boris Johnson has announced that Britain is to have a new public rail operator, Great British Railways (GBR), in the biggest shake-up of the country's trains since privatisation a quarter. the handling/liability of pensions etc. They retained this livery for some years, before being painted in Rail Blue when that became the norm. Privacy Noticeand Website Accessibility. [17] This livery is also often nicknamed 'toothpaste livery' by rail enthusiasts due to the multicoloured stripes resembling striped toothpaste. I don't think there would ever be multiple logos for Great British Railways as you've alluded to - it would make it complicated for the end passenger. The 1948 trials brought LMS Class 5s, and GWR Kings and Castles in lined light green and lined blue, with incorrect suggestions that two different blues were used. Messages: 1,398. 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Construction of the first locomotive was completed in the final week of September 1957, and the handing-over took place on 31 October. No complaints really over the Rail Alphabet, I even like seeing it on old BR signage that still exists here and there. Steam locomotive 61306 Mayflower seen just outside Sittingbourne, Kent at lunchtime today. Last week Doug Beattie, the newly-installed leader of the Ulster Unionist Party, hit out at Boris Johnson. There just isn't room on a well functioning railway for true competition, so you might as well focus on the passenger experience, not the rail operator experience. Dedicated station management teams will be created within regional divisions of GBR to manage stations and land. Clean, modern, easy to read, looks good and in the right colour set. So even if that doesn't become the actual 'GBR' logo it will likely see some use on stations and maybe trains. You are using an out of date browser. London Midland (pre LNR), that was white on black but the same idea. The current lot is an absolute mess. The BR Saint & TPO Livery Pack adds additional liveries to the GWR Saint & TPO add-on, enabling you to recreate realistic travelling post office operations in the British Railway era. Great Central Railway {} Sample: 002366: Great Eastern Railway {} Sample: 00a550: Great Northern Railway (Great Britain) {{GNGE colour}} Sample: 00645b: Great Northern and Great Eastern Joint Railway {{GWGC colour}} Sample: 47640f: Great Western and Great Central Joint Railway {} Sample: 964b00: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Several Class 31 locomotives received white waist stripes, these being That's a different argument (which I disagee with but that's not for this thread). Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; And although BR did changes, it was still the same basic livery really. The Southern Region types worked mostly on the Charing Cross / Cannon Street - Hastings via Battle / Dover and Ramsgate routes and on the Victoria / London Bridge - Brighton / Littlehampton / Hastings via Eastbourne routes. This livery was known as Large Logo livery as each side of the locomotive was dominated by a full body height BR double arrow symbol, and had the loco number prominently displayed at twice the previous size. Coaches from different regions could also often find themselves coupled together and trains of 2 or 3 mixed liveries were not uncommon. The Tories, particulary this present mob of throwbacks, have long since co-opted the "great" in "Great Britain" to mean "very good"and its xenophobic, imperialist undertones make me want to vomit. The pleasure's all mine. The British Rail Class 31 diesel locomotives, also known as the Brush Type 2 and previously as Class 30, were built by Brush Traction from 1957-62. You are using an out of date browser. The bottom one is basically Serco era Northern signage, and does look good to me, though I would go for a subtle double arrow in the bottom right as I said earlier, and omit the GBR text. I would say GWR (single colour) is a far better branding package than Avanti (3 colours). Because it was a nationalised industry run by the British Government. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Erm are you sure about that? [4] Normal passenger service franchise mechanisms were amended, transferring almost all revenue and cost risk to the government, effectively 'renationalising' those services temporarily. JavaScript is disabled. The Overground operates under its own livery. Also, like I said, it's possible that they legally can't call it BR. [5][6], The new GBR organisation was proposed under the WilliamsShapps Rail Review,[7] which was published as a white paper on 20 May 2021. If they are going down the GBR route, which is just nationalisation with extra steps, it needs to look the part (the national part, not the extra steps part). The British Isles in my old school geography books included the island of Ireland but I wouldn't have said that in my recent visit to the country! It does look better than red. If they're bothered about 'red white and blue" then just stick the double arrow in a white background and give it a blue border. The special saloons and a few other special coaches were also repainted in chocolate and cream but regular former GWR coaches carried maroon. With the publication of the Williams review and the announcement of the renationalization of British Passenger Rail, i thought i might help out anyone exited for new liveries or branding for trains. Compared to the superb branding packages of TfW and ScotRail, it does not say "come use the railway . Not too dissimilar to the old Northern logo arrangement. Job done. A bit like this but without the fuzzy outline on the text and double arrow (caused by MS Paint's paint bucket tool): Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; I had a play around with this, and I agree, it looks. Here are his exact words: Hes concerned with the English vote. This livery was well received by enthusiasts but as the Class 56s only hauled freight, it was decided to extend the experiment to a passenger loco. Someone will design a great livery in the future and someone else will design a crap livery. The smokebox, running plate, and running gear remained black, and the bufferbeam remained red. What is wrong with different routes and regions having different liveries? Heh. In many ways having a 'Railway System' logo (the double arrow) for stations/journey planners but a different logo so people know the train is a 'big' intercity train or a 'small' stopping train is very helpful. Its rolling stock initially carried the standard Rail Blue (or blue and grey) livery but in 1992, it introduced a new livery of red and grey, with pale blue and grey flashes. This is "straight out of 1975": I'm inclined to disagree there. The Union Jack will represent. Great Britain is not a country; its a landmass. It's the name of the island ffs. Maybe a "way out" arrow similar to Thameslink's station signage could make it more exciting, while also adding a bit more functionality? Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; It really wouldn't. And other European countries cope with DB trains in France, SNCF trains in Germany etc. I agree I think the NR logo in the circle looks better, but GBR is such a mouthful - its just latent fear of the British Rail brand. . This livery suited these diesel hydraulic classes, and allowed the Western Region to once again show a degree of independence; it was not applied to any other diesel or electric classes (other than the Class 42/43 "Warships"). I suppose they are quite bland. In October 2021, the Secretary of State for Transport announced a competition to find a location for the headquarters of Great British Railways outside of London. Avanti merged with LNWR to form a GNWR brand. Incorrect: Britain and Great Britain are synonymous, referring to either the largest island of the British Isles (in a geographical context) or the countries of England, Scotland and Wales (in a political context). European paint code RAL5020 ("Ocean Blue") is a good match to Rail Blue. Not the terms I would have used but I see where you might get that impression. Read about the differences between Britain, the. For example, GWRs London to Bristol, Penzance, Cardiff, Oxford etc might be wrapped up with a GBR Express or GBR Intercity, but the GWR commuter/regional services under a different brand name. I personally do not think there should be a standard livery across the network on the grounds that regional identity would be lost. I do also like the theory that these regions they mention will be named after old railway companies. Different NSE style local/commuter networks round the country. I'd go along with that from a "looks right" perspective, but it would be almost impossible to see from (for instance) inside a train in darkness. The white paper does not specify whether the branding of devolved railways such as London Overground and Merseyrail will be affected.[7]. Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. Some franchise brand names are good, such as Trans Pennine Express, but perhaps those longer distance brands might be lost to one all encompassing GBR brand. The British Railway official livery for meat & fish vans (and other stock which normally travelled in passenger trains) was originally crimson with yellow lettering. It may not display this or other websites correctly. WMT (operationally separate from LNWR by this point) brand to be used additionally on XC services to Nottingham and Leicester (stopper only). The WilliamsShapps plan recommended that there will be a single, unifying brand for railways, and it is expected that this will be a gradual rebranding over time. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The distinctive angular shape of the HST power cars did not lend itself to applying yellow on the leading face, so the yellow was wrapped around and extended along the side of each power car, although the coaches retained the usual Rail Blue coaching stock livery. I am confident I could design a better package in a few hours, and I am not a design professional. You also get a more legible and cohesive transport system. The rebranding of British Railways to British Rail on 1 January 1965 was coupled with the introduction of an entirely new national livery. The livery was applied only to some Class 309 "Clacton" units on the former Eastern Region and to a few of Classes 411 (4Cep), 419 (MLV) and 421 (4Cig) on the former Southern Region. However, these bodies will be required to coordinate with GBR to deliver a single national rail network, including one website and app, as well as following national branding and passenger standards. the report stated that there would be some update to the double arrow, though not what that update would be. Great British Railways ( GBR) is a planned state-owned public body that will oversee rail transport in Great Britain, [1] with the exception of Transport for London and Merseytravel services, and light rail and trams elsewhere in England. Something timeless. Do you think we should use different colours for regions like we sort of have now, https://twitter.com/_doublearrow/status/1455113527954493474/photo/1. The train is operated by the Steam Dreams Rail Co. Mayflower built in 1948, is one of two surviving B1 Class locomotives and painted in distinctive British Railways apple green livery. Every TfW station I've been to are still ATW-branded (in fact, Hereford yesterday). From 1966 until withdrawal, Pullman Coaches were also painted in the reversal of the normal coach livery, with the blue and grey areas transposed. Thats a bit like saying everything has been invented, no need for anything more. On the face of it, this is primarily a reorganisation of the franchise system in England control over passenger franchises in Scotland and Wales is, alas, devolved. It's a given that there will be brands underneath GBR - if there weren't, it would make travelling pretty complicated. I just see the thing as extremely surface level. Until the introduction of Mk1 catering vehicles in the late '50s, these trains had matching former GWR catering vehicles. A livery, similar to ScotRail but with the upper dark grey bodyside replaced with a dark blue, was created. Class 52 No.D1015 restored to 1960's Western Region Maroon livery. This included many of the features which were later incorporated in the Mark 2, and trialled in an experimental train designated XP64. I personally like this Lion logo posted by Tim Dunn on twitter a few years ago, Not at all. Antrim Princess Sealink ferry underway in Larne with Sealink letters. 1948 -. Swiss style would be nice, British society & culture wouldn't allow this as we for example don't have direct democracy as in Switzerland this is a very good example of how it can work, credit to Dispatcher on the Stour on Twitter. GBR is not quite the same, so they no doubt want it to be seen as distinct; plus, it may not even be possible to call it BR, there might be legal implications (just a guess). Unfortunately, there is little sign that Beattie actually intends to do anything differently, in this regard at least, to the Democratic Unionists he hopes to supplant. The old Northern signs worked well, but only Metro/WYCA really got behind the co-branding opportunities, that I saw. 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